Spare Me Your Creativity!

Not your personality

No matter how many times, or how I say it, many new agents won’t take this simple advice, “Spare me your creativity for your first 90 days.” Oh they agree to it at first, at least in principle. They may even give it lip service but the reality is they quickly think that they are smarter than me (probably true) and smarter than the system (definitively not true). Last week I wrote about how this business is simple but not easy. I think many agents come on board and have a hard time believing it can really be that simple. It’s like they decide that my instruction to them to go, “1)Talk to a whole bunch of people, 2)Treat them real nice and, 3)Ask them to buy.” is so simple that it can’t possibly be effective.

Then they launch into their excuses as to why they can’t possibly do, what I told them they were going to have to do, when I interviewed them; go hit the streets! They whine, “Tim, this is Phoenix. Do you know how hot it is out there? That seems like waaaaaaaaay too much work. Did I mention I have a degree in marketing? I’m going to put together the worlds greatest flyer and mail it out to every business in the county. Then all I have to do is sit by my phone and wait for it to ring. Also, seriously? Have you seen these scripts? No one talks like that… I’m much better if I go in and just be myself. I’m a people person for goodness sakes. Maybe when you started a trillion jillion years ago you had to go out and pound the pavement, but I have nearly 100 connections on LinkedIn and I just know they will all recommend me to the businesses they do business with. I’m going to be so busy cashing my commission checks, there is no way I am going to have time to go cold calling….” or something like that. I don’t really know because I stopped listening at the first indication they were headed away from the systems that are proven to work.

I’d happily publish the list of names of all the hundreds of agents I’ve seen fall into this trap over the last 16+ years. I can’t though. And not because of my fear of getting sued or because it would be a HIPPA violation. The reason I can’t give you their names is that I don’t remember them. After hiring over 2,000 agents I don’t have the bandwidth to remember those new agents that failed themselves out of our business by trying to be smarter than the system.

A former boss of mine always said it this way, “If you will do what we ask, when we ask, and as often as we ask, your chances for success are very, very good. If you won’t, your chances for success are somewhere between slim and none. And Slim just left the building.”

Let me give you a metaphor that I hope will drive home this point: If you know me, you know that I am a tour guide type of trainer. In other words, if you come to me and ask me how to get from my office in downtown Phoenix to Flagstaff, there is a great chance that I will offer to drive you there in my car and show you the quickest way possible. In fact, with the way I drive, we are going to get there in about two hours. But suppose you say, “Tim, I’ve heard that if we cut through over to Sedona and head up Oak Creek Canyon the view is spectacular. Sure it might take a little longer, but it will be so much prettier.” That may all be true, but I don’t have the time to go that way. In fact if you decide to go that way, there isn’t much I can do to help you if you get lost.

I know it’s feasible to go the other way, but the way I know is to take I-10 West to the I-17 North and then bury the accelerator!!! In fact I have never seen anyone that went to Flagstaff via Oak Creek Canyon ever come back. But hey, you might be smarter than me. If you chose to go that way, is it possible that you will be the first one ever to be successful? Sure, it’s possible I guess. But you are on your own. Good luck and Via Con Dios!

Conclusion: If flyers, LinkedIn, mailers, (or whatever other hair-brained idea you might concoct to avoid the simple fact that you are going to have to hit the bricks and sweat a little) worked, don’t you think your carrier would have already discovered it? There is no magic bullet! The only thing that I’ve ever seen work; is hard work. As my daughter Victoria would say, “Sorry, not sorry….”

Question: What are you doing currently to hide from the unpleasant reality that this is going to take real elbow grease? We all suffer from this from time to time. Would you be honest and vulnerable enough to share yours with me?

How The Heck Do I Develop Relationships?

Bullet-proof your client's loyalty

Every book I’ve ever read on B2B sales stresses the importance of building relationships with your prospects and customers. This is great advice! It’s also worthless. The problem is that most authors don’t give you any practical tips on how to do it. It would be like a track coach telling you that to beat Usain Bolt in the 200-meter dash, “You need to run faster than him.” Great advice, just worthless (Especially to me, I might not make it 200 meters!)

Listen, I couldn’t agree more that relationships are king! All things being equal, people want to do business with people they know, like, and trust. All things not being equal, people still want to do business with people they know, like, and trust. So how are you going to develop these relationships? I’m glad you asked! Here are my top 9 tips to help you transition from just another salesperson, to the enviable position of being a trusted advisor.

  • Get off the phone…..at least half of your prospecting time. Using the phone as a tool to set appointments with prospects is very valid, but it has its limitations. I can tell a lot more about a prospective client just by walking in their front door. What is the energy level like? Are the employees friendly or surly? Are the business thriving, or has it been 25 years since their last coat of paint? Besides, it’s much harder for them to dismiss you out of hand in person than on the phone.
  • Get face time…..with the owner/CEO. Often after the decision maker has given his or her blessing, we are handed off to the HR staff or Office Manager. If we are not intentional with our actions the person that gave us permission could forget we exist. Don’t believe me? I almost lost a case when an agent from my carrier was told by the owner that they hadn’t seen their agent in two years. Well, that agent was me. And I had literally been in his business every month, to see new hires, from the time I opened them as an account. He just hadn’t seen me. Since then I have made it a habit to just poke my head in the door of the owner every single time I am at his business. I also make sure that I have a formal meeting once a year to update him on the results we are achieving for his business.
  • Hone your listening skills…..and not just so you know when it’s your turn to talk. Nothing will separate you more convincingly from your competition than showing your prospects and clients that you are paying attention to their needs and concerns. If you want to alienate them suggest something to them, that they told you they didn’t want the last time you were there. Unfortunately, I’ve been there, done that in this category. I promise you, it will make you feel like an idiot.
  • Don’t be a stranger…..or make them get a restraining order either. How often is too often to follow up with a prospect or visit a client? My advice is, “Probably way more times than you are going in now.” Worst-case scenario: They already have every product and service they can possibly buy from you, and there hasn’t been a new-hire employee in 10 years. They still deserve to see your smiling face at least 4 times per year. And don’t go in empty handed. Take them donuts, or candy, or some company trinkets. SOMETHING!!! They are great customers and deserve to know how much you appreciate them.
  • Never lie…..or exaggerate…..or over-promise. If you can’t meet their requirements, let them know. It should go without saying, but since the advent of social media, the irate customer can ruin your reputation in the community at the speed of bits. You can’t afford the negative attention, nor do you want it.
  • Discretion…..really is the better part of valor. Often times you will be working inside of a particular niche of businesses. In fact that may be why you got the appointment in the first place. You walked in and said, “I work with ABC Welding, XYZ Welding, and LMNOP Welding. They love me! Do you want to know why?” (My first manager, David Stewart taught me this trick. I thought he was nuts, but I tried it and it worked!!! I’ve used it to set dozens of appointments over the years and if done properly, it is devastatingly powerful.) Because you work with several of this guy’s competitors he may ask you to reveal information about them. I’ve been put in this awkward position multiple times. Each time I have simply said, “I really can’t discuss anyone else’s business without their permission. I’m sure you wouldn’t want me telling them about your shop. That’s fair isn’t it?”
  • Maintain a positive attitude…..even if they don’t. I don’t care if you are having the worst day of your career when asked how it is going just simply say, “How could it be bad? I’m calling on one of my favorite clients!” I can’t tell you how many times I have seen agents over-share their problems, ailments, challenges, and baggage with the office manager or decision maker. Yes, I get it. You’ve had a bad day. Your dog got run over by the garbage truck 3 days after you spent $2,000 on his hip surgery. Let me clue you in on a little secret: 80% of the people you are telling your troubles to DON’T CARE. The other 20%? They’re secretly happy you are having challenges!!! This advice is especially challenging to remember when the person you are talking to is a Debbie Downer herself. She almost goads you into trying to show her that your life is way tougher than hers. DON’T DO IT! Seriously, If you are really that depressed, stay home. The last thing your client wants is your baggage. Trust me, they have enough problems of their own.
  • Clients come first…..or they shouldn’t be your client. You get paid in exact proportion to the value and service you bring your client. In other words, you need to serve them. What do you think of when you hear the word servant? Is it someone who put their own needs first? What if your clients is a jerk? Trust me, I’ve had my share of jerk clients. There are times that the old adage, “The customer is always right.” is pure B.S. When that happens, you must evaluate if someone else might be better suited to serve them. If so, introduce them to your client. If not, fire the client. I’ve done it twice and it was incredibly liberating. If you are ever in a position that putting the client’s needs ahead of your own is going to be untenable, you might need to fire the client.
  • Don’t forget…..the little people. Your relationships inside an organization will make or break you long-term. If you have a phenomenal relationship with the owner but haven’t taken the time to develop trust anywhere else in their organization, you might be in for a rude awakening. One of my favorite and most profitable clients sold his business one day, completely out of the blue. No one, and I mean no one, inside of his company had a clue it was coming. The new owners brought me in to fire me about two weeks after the deal closed. It seems that their nephew worked for one of my competitors. Fortunately, the employees got wind of what was happening and stepped in to save me. I had worked very diligently developing relationships with the Office Manager, the HR Director, and the 8 crew foreman. Additionally, I had over-delivered on my promises to many of their frontline employees while helping them navigate the claims process. Every time I walked in there, I felt like Norm at Cheers. (If you don’t get that reference, I’m worried about your generation.) The owners quickly realized that I wasn’t just one of their vendors, I was part of their organization. I made the lives of their staff better and easier. Can your clients say that about you?

Conclusion: You are only as good as your relationships. There is not a single thing on your “To Do” list that is as important as fostering loyalty through service.

Question: What are some of the things I missed that you do to develop bullet-proof relationships?

I really want to know! Continue the conversation below. I promise to reply personally and promptly to every comment or email.

p.s. If you want to see a great smile check out Usain Bolt’s face, when he realizes how fast he just ran, by clicking on his picture above!

Andre Laflamme – No Excuses – SIV #004 Shownotes

"It is easier to go from failure to success than it is to go from excuses to success." -

Earlier this week I had a chance to sit down and ask my good friend Andre Laflamme some question via Skype.

During the last 16 years, I’ve interviewed somewhere in the neighborhood of 20,000 potential candidates. As you can imagine, after that many interviews someone has to really be extraordinary for me to remember their interview. I remember Andre’s vividly. I could not stop talking to my team and family about this guy that I had seen so much potential in. Once Andre came on he did not get off to a fast start, but I watched him work daily on himself and his business. We worked together for several years and I watched him climb the rankings to the very top of each new level of responsibility he was given.

Last year he was offered the opportunity to return back to Washington State and take over a team where he is leading a group of 12 sales managers and about 135 active agents. Combined this group will bring voluntary benefits for the first time into approximately 500 payroll accounts and produce $3.8 million in new business.

Besides being a great leader, Andre is a great husband and father and a good friend.

I just want to warn you of two things:

  1. If you are someone who is comfortable making excuses for your poor performance, Andre’s attitude and drive might make you uncomfortable. He has always started by looking at himself first if things aren’t going well.
  2. Our Skype connection we had that day wasn’t the greatest and there are just a couple of moments where his side of the conversation got just a little garbled.

You can find Andre on the beach in Culebra, Puerto Rico (he’s the guy on the far left) or via Linked In at http://linkd.in/1cCspG7

How High-Tech Are You?

Maybe too much?

No one loves technology as much as I do. I am writing this Internet Blog Post on my MacBook Pro while listening to my Jambox Mini speaker that is connected via Bluetooth to iTunes on my iPad. I was interrupted by a phone call, just as I was starting to write, that I took on my iPhone using my Bluetooth LG HBS730 earbuds. All of this simultaneously in one room.

This weekend I used my Bluetooth iGrill which allowed me to make sure my steak was exactly medium-rare without having to guess or stay by the grill. I was able to stand inside and talk with my wife knowing that when my steak was ready, that a pleasant English woman (that seems to reside in my iPhone) would chant, “Your food is ready. Your food is ready.” I’m kind of bummed she didn’t know exactly what kind of steak it was and recommend a nice Cabernet Sauvignon to pair with it. Seriously, sometimes I feel like I am living in a sci-fy movie. So why do I still use a low-tech “Prospect Box” to keep track of the companies I am prospecting on instead of using an electronic CRM/Database?

I can think of 8 reasons.

  • CRMs are very powerful – But with great power (say it with me) comes great responsibility. Responsibility to tackle the intense learning curve it necessitates. The time spent doing this will be time sitting in my office instead of out “Talking to a whole bunch of people.”
  • I forget – When I am out prospecting, I might walk through as many as 40 doors in a single day. My goal, of course, is to set an appointment with the Decision Maker. Unfortunately, I’m usually only successful about 15% of the time. That means I have picked up 34 businesses that I need to remember details about. I’d rather capture that information immediately after walking out, then later that night when I am tired and they all blur together.
  • I’m lazy – Assuming I took good notes on the business card immediately after walking out of the business, I don’t want to duplicate my work and sit at the computer entering the information into my database.
  • Smartphones suck -For entering data. There are some cool, intuitive, CRMs for iPhone. I’ve tried them. Maybe you enjoy “texting” all your prospects information into your phone, but I’ll pass. Now checking football scores on ESPN and watching funny dog videos on youtube on the other hand….
  • Computers crash – If you have ever lost your work due to a hard drive failure (and who hasn’t) you know how painful this can be. Never once has my “Prospect Box” left me staring at the “Blue Screen of Death.”
  • It’s transferable – Most of my career has been spent hiring and training new agents. I have made sure that every aspect of my daily routine is something that a new agent can duplicate easily. If they see me using an expensive, complicated CRM system, their first thought is they have to spend a ton of money and learn the software before they can start prospecting.
  • It’s cheap – Did you notice I didn’t say, “I’m cheap?” I have zero problem spending money… when it helps advance my business. But I hate to spend money on things that don’t return the value I believe they should.
  • If it ain’t broke – There may come a day when someone develops a CRM that is inexpensive, intuitive, allows easy data entry in the field, has built-in redundancy to minimize the risk of data loss, and can recommend a good wine to pair with my porterhouse. But that day isn’t here….yet.

Conclusion: Great follow-up skills will make you a great salesperson (and a great deal of money).

Question: Who are the top ten hottest prospects in your follow-up system? If you don’t know, how can you call it a system?

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All We Sell Is A Promise

Make sure you can back it up...

There is a world of difference between selling tangible goods and intangible concepts. I have hired and trained over 2,000 Voluntary Benefits (VB) salespeople over the last 16+ years and many of them came from a background of selling tangible things such as cars, real estate, computers, copiers, etc. For the most part, they struggled (at first) with making the transition to selling the intangible.

If you sell tangible items, you can get your client to activate many of their senses by having them interact with the product. Why do you think they are so eager to get you on a test drive at the car lot? They know that once you get behind the wheel you will have the opportunity to engage all five senses.

  • Sight: You probably will pick the car you want to drive based upon color and style.
  • Smell: Is there anything as wonderful as that first whiff of new car smell you experience when you get in?
  • Touch: Undoubtedly your hands will caress the supple leather of the seats and you will feel the power of the acceleration as you mash on the accelerator.
  • Sound: Wow! The stereo in this thing is better than the one back at your place.  You are tempted to crank it way up, but you want to listen to see how much road noise you can hear.
  • Taste: Smart car lots have snacks and refreshments in the showroom. They don’t do this to be nice to their customers. They know that if you enjoy a snack while you are there, your perception of your experience increases dramatically and it puts you in a good mood to buy.

All we are selling in the VB arena is a promise.  I used to say we sold paper with a promise written on it. But now most carriers deliver their policies electronically via email. The customer has to use their own paper.

If it is true that all we sell is a promise, then how important is it that the customer believes the person making the promise? It is critical! The real challenge we face is that oftentimes we have to meet, build report, gain trust, make the sale, and fill out the necessary applications and forms all within a 15-30 minute time frame. So how are we going to do that?  I think there are 8 things that, if you do right, can offset the lack of a tangible product for our customer to interact with. As you read these 8 techniques, notice how little presenting you should be doing. Remember, the more they talk… the smarter you are and the more they like you!

  • Ask them questions about their life – Do they have kids? Are they saving for a house? Have they recently gotten married? What kind of health issues are they concerned about?
  • Ask them questions about their financial health – If they got sick or hurt and couldn’t work, how long would it be before that affected their family?
  • Ask them about their history – Have they ever had anyone in their life that has been affected by cancer? What did that look like for that person and their family financially?
  • Ask them about their future – How are they going to help put their kids through college if something bad happens?
  • Tell them a story (or two) – My favorite adage in this business is, “Benefits tell, stories sell.” If they are on the fence, tell them another story. Don’t overwhelm them with more product information. Illustrate the need for your product by telling a story about a claimant that had your program and how it helped them.
  • BRIEFLY show them the brochure – Now is the time to BRIEFLY explain how the policy works. By BRIEFLY covering the features in the brochure you can anchor the story you just told to the printed materials you are showing them. Did I mention to keep if BRIEF?
  • Reduce to the ridiculous – It is important that they understand how affordable your coverage is.  Even the highest level of coverage you carry is probably less than the cost of going to Starbucks a few times a week.
  • Ask them to buy – I’m not sure I should share my “super-secret, proprietary, devastatingly effective” closing line. I mean it took me years of hard work to perfect. To just give it away seems a little foolish, but I’ll do it anyway. You have to promise me though that you will do something nice for me. If you like this technique and find that it works for you, would you please subscribe to my podcast on iTunes and rate it? O.K. I think I have built it up enough.  Here it is: “Are you comfortable with that?”  Maybe it is too subtle for you.  Let me say it again, “Are you comfortable with that?”  If they say they are comfortable, shut up, stop selling, and start filling out the application. If they hem and haw about it, tell them another story, perhaps back them down to a lower level of coverage, show them the new price and ask them my other “super-secret, proprietary, devastatingly effective” closing line, “Is that a little more comfortable for you?”

Conclusion:
If you want to get people to buy your promise, they have to buy you!

Question:
The procedure above only gets 2 senses involved in the sale (sight and sound). How might you get the other 3 senses involved? Comment below!

Thank God It’s Hard

“Don’t wish it was easier, wish you were better.” - Jim Rohn

When Jim Rhon made his famous statement, “Don’t wish it was easier, wish you were better.” he wasn’t speaking about selling Voluntary Benefits. He could have been.

Yesterday I wrote about the fact that this business is simple, but it’s not easy.  (Read it here.)  I heard from several agents that basically said, “Life would be much better if our prospects could just ‘get it.’ If people really understood why they need these products, they would beat a path to our door.” If this is your thought process, I want to challenge you to carry that line of thinking out to its natural conclusion. Our products would become a commodity.

When products become commodities, the companies that produce those products begin to have only one way to differentiate themselves from their competitors….price. Once the price is the differentiator, it quickly becomes a race to the bottom. Profit margins begin to shrink. Service levels tend to drop. Because of this drop in the margin, the company must recoup those profits somewhere. Guess where they tend to turn to first? Your commission check!

Not convinced?  Let me ask you this:  Pretend your car needs new tires.  If you are like most people, you either go online or look in the ads in Sunday’s newspaper (Are there still newspapers?) for the best deal you can find.  You will probably see ads for Michelin, Good Year, Bridgestone, Cooper, Yokohama, Pirelli, and on, and on, and on…..  If you can purchase basically the same tire from Bridgestone as you can from Michelin, why would you pay significantly more for one over the other?  You wouldn’t.

One more example: What do you think the closing ratio is for a cashier at McDonald’s? In other words, how many times does someone go into McDonald’s, approach the counter, ask a few questions and then decide not to buy? I haven’t seen any studies, but I’m guessing that our Mickey D’s cashier has a much better closing ratio than you do  Why? She is selling hamburgers and French fries. These are commodities that you can get there or across the street at Wendy’s.

What do you think the profit margin is on Big Mac’s or even Pirelli tires? Not much. You have to sell a LOT of hamburgers to make money. Consequently, the cashier’s commission structure is dramatically different than yours.

Thank God this business is hard! If this business was actually easy, the carriers could probably figure out a way to sell our products over the phone, or the Internet, or by mail, or through stuffers in people’s credit card statements, or whatever. If it were easy, they would pay us eight bucks an hour and everyone would do it.  (Tweetable)

Conclusion: The day that people “get it” and understand why they need our coverage (without your help in explaining it to them) is the day you better polish up your resume.

Question: When was the last time you attempted the impossible?

“The difficult we do immediately; the impossible takes a little longer.” – Charles Alexandre de Calonne (1734-1802)

Simple, Not Easy

But there is good news...

Selling in the voluntary benefits arena is incredibly simple.  So simple in fact that many agents mistake it for easy.  Unfortunately, this mistake often leads to the demise of their career. So what is the difference between simple and easy?  If something is simple, it should be easy….. right?  Not exactly!

Let me explain it this way.  If you have a library card, you are in the VAST MINORITY.  According to a recent Pew Research Center survey, only 16% of adult Americans had visited a library in the previous year.

Simple:

Is it simple to get a library card?  I’d argue that it’s very simple.  Remember back to the last time you got a library card.  Did you:

  • Have to take a test?
  • Give a blood or urine sample?
  • Consent to a body cavity search?

Easy:

Is it easy to get a library card?  STOP!  Really think about it.  Here’s the thing, the last time you got a library card it was so simple, you “miss-remember” the process and think it was easy.  I’d argue that it wasn’t easy. (I must enjoy arguing….) Think back, did you:

  • Call up the library and have them mail you a card?
  • Order a pizza and then ask the Dominos driver to pick up a library card on the way to your house?
  • Go online and have them email you a pdf version you could print?

Of course not!  You had to get your lazy butt off the couch and go down to the library.  Then you had to show them your ID and prove to them that you lived in their district.  After filling out the appropriate paperwork, they probably gave you your card right on the spot.  To keep the privileges that came with that card you had to return the items you checked out in a timely fashion or pay the fines for turning them in late.  See what I mean?  It was simple, but it wasn’t easy.  Why wasn’t it easy?  Getting a library card took a little initiative and effort.  Sound familiar?  Sales takes initiative and effort.

I think you can already see the connection between getting a library card and selling voluntary benefits.  Hopefully this will cement it for you.

  • If you put an ad in the yellow pages or online and expect your phone to ring off the hook; you are confusing simple with easy. (For those under 25, the yellow pages were like a paper version of Google.)
  • If you think that attending 20 networking events a week and passing out your card to hundreds of people will drive your sales; you are confusing simple with easy.
  • If you have every considered mailing out letters to business and actually expected the business owner to read what you sent them; you are confusing simple with easy.
  • If you think that there is any way to build your business that doesn’t include rejection and hard work; you are confusing simple with easy.
  • If you think that once you get an account that your competition isn’t going to make a run at them; you are confusing simple with easy.

Let’s return to the library card analogy.  Almost 16 years ago my mentor told me this, “Tim, we often try to complicate this business. To make a bunch of money selling insurance here is very simple.  All you have to do is three things:

  1. Talk to a whole bunch of people.
  2. Treat them real nice.
  3. Ask them to buy.”

How simple is that?  He was right then and it still holds true.  If we try to shortcut any of those three steps we are setting ourselves up for failure. So why do we do it?  Why do we try to take shortcuts?  Because all three of these things take hard work.  If you do the work the rewards are enormous.  If you don’t, your failure is almost guaranteed.

Conclusion:

This business takes hard work.  It IS simple, but it isn’t easy.  The good news?  It’s worth it!

Question:

Are you going to bear down and do the work this week?  Or are you going to delude yourself that you have a “new way” to be successful? (Tweetable)

You Must Overcome All Objections, Spoken or Not!

“Do you have any 2’s?”

When I first started in this industry, I HATED objections! Every time a business owner showed any resistance, I folded up shop, ran away, hid in the corner, and cried like a little girl…… Well, maybe I’m being a little dramatic.  Most of the time I didn’t actually cry….

The reason objections had such control over me was that I didn’t understand that objections were my friend.  For lots of reasons! On today’s podcast (The Five Set Sales) I broke down the difference between a stall, an objection, and a condition. For those of you who haven’t had a chance to listen yet here’s a quick recap:

Stall – A prospect uses a stall when they are too polite (or too chicken) to say no. They don’t want to hurt your feelings, so they would rather politely lie to you. Maybe these sound familiar?

  • Oh, I’d love to meet with you but I am soooo busy right now. Give me a call me back in a couple of weeks.
  • I didn’t get a chance to talk to my husband yet.
  • We have a broker that handles all of that for us.
  • I’d be happy to put together a list of referrals for you. Give me a couple of weeks and I’ll email it over to you.
  • That sounds interesting, could you send me some information or email me some information.

Objection – An objection is actually a buying sign. By giving you an objection the prospect is really saying, “I’m interested, but I need just a little more information before I can tell you yes.” To the untrained salesperson, objections sound like conditions.  Too often the salesperson either A) Accepts the objection and walks away too easily or B) Becomes argumentative and pushy.  Either way, they are going down in flames.  Here are some common objections you might hear:

  • My employees can’t afford it.
  • You don’t know my guys. There is no way they are going to want to have anything come out of their check.
  • I don’t know how we would get everybody together for a meeting.
  • Before I’d let you get in front of my employees, I’d want to see your rates.
  • Let me ask around/poll my employees and see if anyone is interested. (This is better know as “The Kiss of Death.”)
  • This looks great to me but I have to run it past my partner/the owner/the Doctor/my accountant/(insert higher authority here).

Condition – A condition is a real problem, that is going to prevent you from doing business together, that you can’t solve.  As I said before, sometimes we have a challenge distinguishing the difference between an objection (solvable) and a condition (unsolvable).  Below are some obvious conditions. Most of the time they won’t be quite this clear:

  • I’m not sure we are going to be in business much longer. In fact, I just met with my lawyer to discuss bankruptcy.
  • We are in our busiest season of the year. I’m already paying my people overtime every week right now. There is no way I am paying them additional overtime to meet with you.
  • Our HR director is out on maternity leave for the next 8 weeks.
  • My brother-in-law works for your largest competitor and is our agent. If I want to stay married, there is no way I can kick him out and bring you in.

Do you know what each of the above statements has in common? I have heard them all, verbatim, multiple times in my career. If you stick around for any length of time, you will too. So you might want to learn to identify which type of sales resistance you just experienced. Was it a stall, an objection or a condition?

  1. If it’s truly a condition, that’s easy: There’s not much you can do for them.
  2. You also need to know you can’t “overcome” stalls. You just have to plow through them by developing trust. Trust that is earned by bringing a clearcut value proposition that captures their imagination.
  3. Objections, on the other hand, are fun and exciting! I want to stress to you how important it is to get ALL of their objections on the table. The reality is, you can’t overcome something you don’t know exists. Quite frankly it’s not the prospect’s job to tell you about all of their objections. It’s your job to discover them.

Whenever you are experiencing a true objection from a prospect, I want you to think “Go Fish”. Do you remember playing the card game as a child?  Part of the object of the game is to get the cards you need from your opponents. You do this by asking them, for example, “Do you have any 2’s?”   If that person has 2’s, they have to give them to you.  If you don’t ask them for the 2’s, they’re not going to just hand them to you.  It’s not their job.  You, after all, are the one that needs those 2’s to win.

It’s much the same for us when we are meeting with our potential client.  As long as they are holding on to those 2’s (their objections) you can’t win.  So how are we going to discover their true objection(s)?  We have to ask them.  One of my favorite phrases for this is to ask them this, “Other than that, is there any reason you can think of that we shouldn’t move forward?”  Often times they are going to confirm that there really is only one remaining concern. Sometimes though, they will raise other concerns as well. Believe it or not, this is great news!  They have just done you a HUGE favor.  They have just admitted that they are interested in your product or service. Interested enough to give you the feedback you need to close the sale.  In other words, they just handed you their 2’s.  Now it’s your job to take those 2’s and put together your winning hand.

On Saturday we will take a deep dive into what I call “Tim’s Super Spectacular Objection Handling Formula.”  We will break down exactly what to say and when to say it.  With this formula, you will be able to overcome 95% of the objections you are ever going to get.

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Recap: If you didn’t get any objections during your sales process, you didn’t sell ANYTHING. You just took their order. (Tweetable)

Question: Do you have a formula for handling objections? Or do you just double down on trying to convince why they should do business with you?

Leave me your thoughts down below.  I promise to respond to every single one!

Tim Martin – The 5 Set Sales – SIV #003 Shownotes

Where do you get stuck?

It never ceases to amaze me!  New and veteran agents often try to make the wrong sale at the wrong time.  It is critical that, as a Voluntary Benefits salesperson, you know exactly where you are in the sales process and are focusing on the right sale.  Several years ago I broke down the Voluntary Benefits sales process into 5 distinct sales.  Since that time I have taught literally thousands of VB salespeople to stay focused on the sale they are currently on.  When they maintain this focus, their results have been nothing short of astonishing!

The 5 sales we have to make:

  1. The Appointment
  2. The Employer Presentation
  3. Access and Control
  4. The Employee Presentation
  5. Referrals

In today’s podcast Moe and I:

  • Break down the five sales we must make over and over again.
  • Why sales and baseball have so much in common.
  • How the third sale (Access and Control) will get you in as much trouble as using your middle finger on the freeway.
  • The fact that I don’t know the life-time batting average for Edgar Martinez, the Seattle Mariners’ great designated hitter.  (I said it was around .330 and it was actually .312  It would have definitely been much higher, but he batted “just” .302 his last couple of years when he was in his 40’s.)

If you allow this lesson to get “deep down in your soul” your chances for success will go up dramatically.  As always, I’d love to hear your thoughts and answer any questions you might have.  I promise to reply to  EVERY comment/questions.

 

The Delayed Penalty Theory

Thank goodness this never happened to me...

Let’s say for just a moment, that you woke up this morning with absolutely nothing in your calendar for today.  (I mean besides taking your car in for service, dropping off your stuff to your tax guy, popping in on a few customers just to develop relationships, getting your hair cut, and picking up some things from Costco.)  Isn’t that the beauty of being in this business?  We are in complete control of our own schedule!

So if your buddy calls you at 8:15 and says, “I just got a call from my golf partner and he can’t play today.  We were scheduled to play his country club and he told me to go without him.  He also said I can bring someone and it’s all paid for.  The only thing it’s going to cost you is the 8-10 balls you always hit in the water!”  Reviewing your day you realize that you have absolutely ZERO revenue-producing activities in your calendar for today.  “Why not golf?” you ask yourself. You continue to rationalize by saying, “I’m not going to make money today anyway.  I might as well golf.  After all: ‘All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.’”

See the reality in this business is that if you wake up without income-generating opportunities (such as enrollments or Decision Maker (DM) appointments) already scheduled, the chances of you making any money today are somewhere between slim and none.  And Slim just left!  With VERY FEW exceptions this business is not an immediate reward kind of proposition.

This is how it really works.  First, you have to convince a DM to meet with you.  Typically the DM meeting doesn’t happen the same day you ask.  Once you meet with the DM, you have to convince them that it is in their best interest to let you see their employees.  Because you did such a great presentation, they agree to let you meet with the employees at there next quarterly staff meeting.  AWESOME!!! Oh, they just had this quarter’s staff meeting yesterday, and it’s going to be 90 days until the next one?  Not so awesome.  When you do finally get to meet with the staff, you usually don’t make them give you an answer on the spot.  That adds a couple of days.  Of course, now you have to get the applications processed and wait for the direct deposit to hit your account a few days later.

I’m not trying to bum you out.  I’m trying to show you that it is a process that doesn’t all happen today.  It’s still the greatest game in town and it’s infinitely faster than earning money in most sales positions. (Ask a real estate agent how long it takes them to get paid.)   So let me restate the now obvious this way: The reward you get for today’s activity is delayed.  It is anything but instant.

Because the reward for today’s activity (read hard work) is delayed, so is the penalty we pay for not doing that activity.  Here’s where it gets deviously treacherous:  Because the penalty is delayed, we often minimize it.  Or worse yet, we lie to ourselves that there is no penalty.  (Tweet That)  I promise you that you will pay the penalty…..And it wants interest!!!   Hey, I’m not saying you can’t ever blow off a Wednesday afternoon to go play golf for free on the nicest course in town.  What I am cautioning you to do, is to really analyze what that round of golf is going to cost you in missed opportunities.  You only get so many green-time hours in a week.  Are you really going to use them chasing a white ball around?

Conclusion: We fool ourselves into thinking, “The best thing about this business is that I’m in complete control of my own schedule.”  For some of you that might be true.  For most of us though (me included), the hardest part has always been that we are in complete control of our own schedule.  Both the rewards we reap and penalties we face are delayed.  Remember: Just because the penalty is delayed, doesn’t mean it isn’t real.  It kind of reminds me of the great advertising campaign from Fram Oil Filters, where the mechanic says, “You can pay me now, or pay me later.” Watch it here.

Question:  Will your activities today lead to rewards or penalties? (Tweetable?)

As always, I’d love to hear your thoughts below.  I promise to respond to every comment!

Tim Martin – The Formula For Success – SIV #002 Shownotes

No shortcuts... Just a promise

Over the last 16 years, I have seen agents who looked good, talked good, smelled good, and had a great resume fail.  During the same time, I’ve seen agents who didn’t have near the same amount of polish or quite frankly talent, hit unbelievable sales highs.

People constantly ask me, “What is the secret to success in the Voluntary Benefits arena?”  I have bad news and good news for you today!  The bad news: There is no secret I can give you to make you successful.  The good news: There is a formula. If you will follow the formula, your success is almost guaranteed!  If you don’t, I can promise you, you are in for a miserable, unfulfilling and short career in this industry.  I hope you grab ahold of this formula and don’t dismiss it because it looks too simple.  Remember simple and easy are two different things. –(Tweet That!)

The Formula

Attitude X Activity X Effectiveness X Market = Success!

Tim’s Definition of Sales (for what we do).

Are you proud to call yourself a salesperson?

Let’s be honest, most people have a less than favorable view of the sales profession and salespeople.  You throw in insurance sales on top of that… YIKES!!!   Truthfully I told my buddy from church when he first tried to recruit me, that there was no way I was EVER going into sales.  I will be forever thankful that he persisted.  He literally changed my life!

I think that there are three reasons so many people have such a poor assessment of salespeople:

  • We have all had “that guy” try to sell us something.  You know him.  The guy in the loud sports coat that won’t leave you alone on the car lot.  The one that after you get done talking to him, you feel like you need a bath.  Has this guy never heard of a breath mint?  And WOW, you didn’t know Costco sold Old Spice in 55-gallon barrels.
  • Hollywood hasn’t done our profession any favors.  Think Alec Baldwin in Glenngary Glen Ross or Ben Affleck in The Boiler Room.  If you haven’t ever watched these movies, I’ll warn you that the language is atrocious.  I’ll admit that sometimes as a sales manager, especially when the team isn’t exactly blowing out their sales plan, I have daydreamed about giving my team those speeches……  But I realize that is not the way to motivate ANYONE long-term.
  • Many people think that salespeople have to win and the customer has to lose in order for the salesperson to make a living.  Again, we have all worked with salespeople that you can practically see the dollar signs in their eyes when they are talking to you.

Here’s what I firmly believe about what we do in this honorable profession of voluntary benefits sales.  We get people to do what they should do anyway, but wouldn’t do if we didn’t come along.  Let me repeat that one more time:  We get people to do what they should do anyway, but wouldn’t do if we didn’t come along.  I mean this in EVERY aspect of this business:

  • Employers:  I hope you truly believe that what you have to offer the business owner is worth his/her time.  By strengthening their benefits plan, you will help them attract and retain better employees, stay out of the loan business, limit fraudulent worker’s compensation claims, look like a hero to their employees, and perhaps even save them some money in payroll taxes.  But here’s the catch: They are NEVER going to call you and ask for your help.  You have to (persistently) come along.
  • Employees:  Often times we are literally the only thing standing between our clients and financial devastation.  Our products are affordable, powerful, and incredibly necessary!  This is a quote from a claimant letter that I received this summer, “If it wasn’t for this check, I don’t know how we would have been able to send our daughter back to college this fall.”  Later she said, “When I first sat down with you, I did it reluctantly because my boss said I had to.  My entire family is so thankful that I had the opportunity to work with you to pick the insurance programs we needed.”  Guess what?  She showed up because she HAD to.  Do you think she would have EVER sought out our coverage on her own?  Of course not!  I had to come along.
  • Recruiting:  You have someone in your life right now that would be great in this business, but you are hesitant to talk to them.  Maybe you already tried to recruit them into some crazy multi-level-marketing scheme.  Or maybe you haven’t yet made as much money in this business as they make at their current job and you are worried that they might not take you seriously.  Or maybe you just don’t care about them…… WHAT?!?!?  Did Tim just accuse me of not caring about my friend or family member?!?!?  Listen, if you really care about that person, how could you let them continue to go to a job that caps their income?  That asks them to trade their time for money.  That offers them the illusion of security, but could layoff half their workforce tomorrow. “Did you know that the Pilgrims did not come to America for a 9-5 with benefits?”~Tim Martin (Tweet That)  If you don’t come along and show them there is a better way, who will?  You may change their life!  Again, I am thankful my buddy cared enough about me to MAKE me sit down with him at Starbucks to show me how we change people’s lives.  I am thankful he came along!

Conclusion: Tim’s definition of sales (for what we do):  We get people to do what they should do anyway, but wouldn’t do, if we didn’t come along.

Closing Thought:  Are you coming along often enough?  I’d love to hear your thoughts!